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    youtube cracking down on Lets players monetization

    Youtube getting tough on video game monetization in 2014 - Cramgaming.com


    Whilst this news might not affect a vast number of people, for some it’s further proof that the powers that be are not happy with the growing number of people who are earning money using their products. Namely gamers uploading gameplay footage either raw or with voice over and then earning money from advertising revenue on Youtube. For most people who are not partnered with a network such as Machinima, uploading gameplay videos often requires a random check which asks the uploader to provide proof of permission to monetize the video or proof of ownership of the content outright. This often leads to a period where the video does not run any adverts until approved. If suitable proof isn’t provided then no adverts are run alongside the video and the uploader doesn’t get paid. The process is shrouded in such a grey area, considering the nature of some videos which put more effort in than simply uploading a trailer or gameplay clip. Users can claim fair usage rights, which ultimately doesn’t always work and so leaves some uploaders earning nothing for their efforts, no matter how great or small that is. It can be debated whether it’s right or wrong for people to earn money using other peoples derivative works in context of making something unique from it, however, it seems the industry is adopting an overall tougher stance on this.

    Most savvy gamers will have joined one of the major networks who take a cut from earnings but bypass the random checks which has meant no delays in earning potential as soon as a video is posted. However, that’s all about to change, as from early next year Youtube will be random checking videos regardless of whether the uploader channel is partnered with a network or not. The random check will take between 2 and 48 hours, but it’s not clear how long the process takes if suitable permissions are provided. Networks will be able to categorize channels into groups with either a Managed, or Affiliate status, with the latter most likely being more common. Affiliates will have random videos checked as per the new rules whereas those channels who are Managed might be able to avoid it.

    This news will come as quite a blow to many let’s players, vloggers and channels posting official trailers and won’t necessarily stop them, but will impact their earning potential. For some, the motive of getting paid for doing something they enjoy is a great benefit, and obviously video game footage is popular with viewers, remove the financial benefit, and it’s likely some will stop producing videos.

    The industry has seen a shift in the last year towards this action, what with Nintendo taking over advertising revenue from videos featuring their content. Microsoft also posted revised terms and conditions for its content earlier this year. With the advent of the PS4 and Xbox One allowing gamers to upload videos, stream gameplay via Twitch etc. It’s clear publishers are keen on gamers posting videos, but only under their own controlled environments where financial gain for the uploader isn’t a factor. To round things off, Sony is not allowing direct video capture from the newly released PS4 until it rolls out an update…whenever that is. Times are changing for Youtubers, and perhaps channels will need to adapt when it comes to video production and produce more unique content that reaches beyond simple gameplay videos and trailers.


    For those interested, here’s a list of some publishers and their stances on video game monetization.



    * Activision - Does not allow derivative works per their terms. See 3. License.

    * Bungie - Specifically says not to create derivative works from their software in their terms. Probably why Halo is a pain.

    * Capcom - OK if you aren’t making any money. See this FAQ post on their forums.

    * Codemasters - Does grant permission to monetize videos as confirmed here.

    * GungHo Online - These guys do stuff like Ragnarok Online. Videos OK, monetization not OK.

    * Microsoft - Videos are completely fine as long as you are not paid. They say part of this includes Halo in their rules, so Bungie may or may not still get on your case. Check out the rules here.

    * Natsume - These guys are famous for Harvest Moon among others. From an email they allow videos without monetization.

    * Naughty Dog - The Last of Us, Uncharted, Jak and Daxter… great games, but they don’t want you to use ANY of their footage (said via email).

    * Nintendo - Encourages videos (especially Let’s Plays), but may decide to monetize your video. The exact wording is on Go Nintendo.

    * NIS America - Famous for stuff like Danganrompa and Disgaea. Encourages videos, monetization not allowed.

    * Rockstar / Take-Two Interactive - Encourages videos unless they are just straight cutscene footage (Let’s Plays with cutscenes OK). Pretty sure they don’t want things monetized. See the full rules here.

    * Sega - Does not give any license for YouTube footage .

    * SNK - They do not give license for derivative works.

    * Square Enix - Does not grant individual permission to use their works, but DOES grant permission to larger entities. .

    * TecmoKoei - Famous for stuff like Dead or Alive and Ninja Gaiden. Specifically in the words of the email, “TecmoKoei does allow people to make video reviews and other similar works, but we do not typically allow monetization.”

    * TellTale Games - The Walking Dead, Wolf Among Us, Sam and Max… these guys have some really good stuff. Let’s Plays are definitely allowed, monetization is not. See this permission post on their forums.


    it's a christmas miracle

    now lazy people can't make money on other peoples work



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ps360 View Post
    it's a christmas miracle

    now lazy people can't make money on other peoples work
    Yes they can. It's called unemployment benefits.

    Get a job you hippies.

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    Does this mean people like Pew die pie will finally be stopped?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingLazy View Post
    Does this mean people like Pew die pie will finally be stopped?
    Certain people may find ways around it. It is his livelihood after all. He'll find a way.

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    Good thing I upload for the fun of it, and not because I want to make money by sitting on my ass and playing games. Mind you, I'm sure the editing does take some effort, but still.
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    it just got flipped on tonight

    people are flipping shit and it's hilarious



    here's dsp being butthurt.







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    Honestly, this just means people will stop doing videos all together. Cause if they can't make money from it, then fuck it. Which is sad, because they are legitimately good people who make a living doing videos (Not necessarily LP's, but you get the idea)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgar View Post
    Honestly, this just means people will stop doing videos all together. Cause if they can't make money from it, then fuck it. Which is sad, because they are legitimately good people who make a living doing videos (Not necessarily LP's, but you get the idea)
    good.

    if your in the Lets player community for money then you don't belong here.



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    YouTube finally contacts video makers to talk copyright sweep | Polygon

    "Last week, we expanded the system to scan more channels," stated the YouTube email, obtained by Polygon. "As a result, some channels, including many gaming channels, saw claims appear against their videos from audio or video copyright holders."

    The email pointed out that some videos can contravene multiple copyrights, including the game publisher and, say, a music rights holder. It went on to advise video makers what steps they can take if they receive a copyright flag. It stressed the issue of music copyrights, which seem to have generated a large number of claims, which lead to advertising revenues from a video diverting from its producer to the claimant.

    Some "YouTubers" have been critical of YouTube's handling of its new initiative. The company has previously been almost mute on the episode, restricting itself to a formal statement late last week.

    The new statement did not address issues like erroneous claims, or concerns that the copyright sweep seems to be focused on "Affiliate" channels, not owned by, or signed to long-term contracts with larger networks like Polaris and Machinima.

    "If you're creating videos with content from other people, remember that rights ownership can be complicated and different owners have different policies," stated the email. "Whether gaming, music or comedy is your passion, know that we love what you do. We've worked hard to design Content ID and other tools to give everyone, from individual creators to media companies, the opportunity to make great videos and earn money. As YouTube grows, we want to make sure we're providing the right product features to ensure that everyone continues to thrive."




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    This whole thing is just bullshit, because it's not just "Let's Players" being targeted. And worse still, false claims are being made through this piece of shit system which can't be challenged.

    YouTube are just making one fuck up after another, really hope this brings about another better service because YouTube just have a monopoly over the whole service which is fucking bullshit.



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    I've been following this since last week when it started. I'm not sure how I feel about it. I, myself, have put out very few videos, of which not a single one is monetized, so I don't really care about the whole content ID match thing as long as my videos remain up. I thought I read somewhere that some studios like Capcom were not in support of this content id match, but judging from what Ps360 posted, it seems like they don't care as long as videos aren't monetized.

    Truth be told, if this did away with folks like PDP, then the Internet would be better off for it. As hard as it is to believe, though, I do enjoy much of DSP's content, so I would be a bit disappointed if he decided to call it quits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    it. As hard as it is to believe, though, I do enjoy much of DSP's content, so I would be a bit disappointed if he decided to call it quits.
    Me personally, I'd throw a fucking parade. The guy is such an asshole. There is a reason if you look up his name on Youtube, you're gonna get a whole slew of videos where he complains about games not telling him what to do and him generally being a shitty gamer. Why in the hell he has subscribers is beyond me. It could be because people watch him, BECAUSE he is such a goddamn train wreck of a gamer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgar View Post
    It could be because people watch him, BECAUSE he is such a goddamn train wreck of a gamer.
    Well, that's part of why I watch him. I'm not saying I like all of his content. In fact, I don't watch most of his playthroughs. I mostly watch his vlogs and playthroughs of games that I think he'll make interesting in some way... usually RPG's. The Dark Souls playthrough, for example, is a classic in my eyes.

    Like I say about anything that's audio-visual, you have to know what you're getting yourself into. For example, you shouldn't go into a movie like Fast and the Furious expecting The Godfather. If you do, and then you criticize the movie in some regard because it's not artistic enough or whatever, than you're the dumbass--Not you, Vulgar, but you generally-speaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Well, that's part of why I watch him. I'm not saying I like all of his content. In fact, I don't watch most of his playthroughs. I mostly watch his vlogs and playthroughs of games that I think he'll make interesting in some way... usually RPG's. The Dark Souls playthrough, for example, is a classic in my eyes.

    Like I say about anything that's audio-visual, you have to know what you're getting yourself into. For example, you shouldn't go into a movie like Fast and the Furious expecting The Godfather. If you do, and then you criticize the movie in some regard because it's not artistic enough or whatever, than you're the dumbass--Not you, Vulgar, but you generally-speaking.
    Let me rephrase. I truly don't care that he is such a shitty gamer, but what I do care about is how he handles failure. He rarely, if ever, takes responsibility for his own mistakes. If he just paid attention and admitted that he fucked something up, I would be less critical of him. Everyone makes mistakes, but not many can sit there and blame the game for not telling him what to do, when he decides to either not listen or flat out ignore on screen instructions.

    Then in his Vlogs he (Sometimes, not all the time) will bash Youtubers (Particularly Tobuscus) for incredibly insipid reasons. And to be honest, I don't watch LP'ers for their goddamn Vlogs, I watch to see them play a game and give their insights into something they are experiencing (Taking a shit all over Kojima because he's too stupid to work through a menu, does not count.)

    If he really cared about the people he was making content for, he would be more mindful of the things his viewers do not like. Pay attention to what people are saying and try to accommodate, unless it's something dumb like "Stop swearing" or "Play this way".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgar View Post
    Let me rephrase. I truly don't care that he is such a shitty gamer, but what I do care about is how he handles failure. He rarely, if ever, takes responsibility for his own mistakes. If he just paid attention and admitted that he fucked something up, I would be less critical of him. Everyone makes mistakes, but not many can sit there and blame the game for not telling him what to do, when he decides to either not listen or flat out ignore on screen instructions.

    Then in his Vlogs he (Sometimes, not all the time) will bash Youtubers (Particularly Tobuscus) for incredibly insipid reasons. And to be honest, I don't watch LP'ers for their goddamn Vlogs, I watch to see them play a game and give their insights into something they are experiencing (Taking a shit all over Kojima because he's too stupid to work through a menu, does not count.)

    If he really cared about the people he was making content for, he would be more mindful of the things his viewers do not like. Pay attention to what people are saying and try to accommodate, unless it's something dumb like "Stop swearing" or "Play this way".
    I definitely agree with you there; he has a very hard time admitting his faults when something goes wrong. It is a bit of a turn-off to constantly hear "the game never explains". His MGS playthroughs are packed with such situations. Also, you're right, he does ignore shit all the time. I vividly remember his fight against The End. MGS games are about getting help from your team, so it's critical to use your CODEC and get in-game help from the Colonel, Otacon, or whomever. Apparently, the game thought he was having trouble, so they called him. He answers the call, then like 3 seconds in he says "Yeah, shut the fuck up!" and hangs up. The game was trying to help him and he blatantly ignored it. Some might get irritated by such idiocy, but I actually laughed my ass off.

    I really don't care about him bashing other YouTubers. I don't watch any of them anyway, and even if I did, I wouldn't get offended by it.

    I think he cares about his viewers to an extent, but he definitely needs to take a big slice of humble pie. All in all, though, I enjoy his content. I know it's not for everyone, much like other YouTubers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    He answers the call, then like 3 seconds in he says "Yeah, shut the fuck up!" and hangs up. The game was trying to help him and he blatantly ignored it. Some might get irritated by such idiocy, but I actually laughed my ass off.

    I really don't care about him bashing other YouTubers. I don't watch any of them anyway, and even if I did, I wouldn't get offended by it.

    I think he cares about his viewers to an extent, but he definitely needs to take a big slice of humble pie. All in all, though, I enjoy his content. I know it's not for everyone, much like other YouTubers.
    And then he goes on to bash the game and its design for not telling how things work. I don't know about you, but when watching a playthrough, I don't want to see the same damn thing over and over and over and over again. Which he could have just edited out, and I can tell he has this ability to do so, so why not do it to alleviate the viewers frustration and boredom.

    I don't care about the other Youtubers either, but it is stupid how far he goes with it. He could use all that time on many other productive ventures. But whatever, I never paid attention to his Vlogs, mostly a waste of my time.

    I would enjoy his content if he would just calm down and have fun. And I know in his older videos, no matter what he did, he had fun. I just do not enjoy his constant negativity when it comes to simple mistakes or irrelevant shit. He has a chance to change and be good, he just refuses to listen.
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    hahahaha, get them punk kids out of moms basement and get a real job. big brother(government) is starting to control the internet. whatever happen to mowing down the next door neighbors lawn for quick cash, this new generation of kids I tell ya man.

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