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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreakon View Post
    The best part about arguing with someone is going after their level of sexual activity. It doesn't even need to be on-topic, it just works.
    It works just as well as throwing a banana at an oncoming train.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy72 View Post
    sometimes its too easy, and really just not fair
    Typically if something seems that easy, it isn't really working. Kind of like Vulgar's banana/train analogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagflar View Post
    But for how long!?
    Until you want people to know what you do with banana's and lady folk?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy72 View Post
    i really dont have to defend myself, but i am well educated. I have 2 degrees and several certifications.
    what do you have? I mean besides wet dreams about being popular.
    go back to the loser table in high school *rant*
    Are you truly this pathetic?

    Can you truly not see the glaring problems within the article that PS360 posted? If not I'd suggest returning those 2 degrees and several certificates, it seems your analytical capabilities have fled the scene.

    What do I have? An ability to think for myself and process information, both of which you lack and the latter you seem to lack on even a basic scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaRe_xLw View Post
    Meh, there isn't much to spy on me about. I hope they keep my address safe at least.

    Well when people cracked into the ps3 We found out it makes a entire map of your local network and sends it to sony (Printers, computers, routers, all that shit)

    since vita has software that can be installed on the pc i just can't wait to find out it scans your entire computer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxymoron28 View Post
    Until you want people to know what you do with banana's and lady folk?
    Well, thanks to you it ain't a secret anymore, is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy72 View Post
    and i`ll only buy it when its hacked
    So you support the destruction of a good handheld? Looking at the Psp's track record, if the Vita gets hacked early on for piracy, we'll see a Psp2.0 and the end of the Vita really fast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ps360 View Post
    Well when people cracked into the ps3 We found out it makes a entire map of your local network and sends it to sony (Printers, computers, routers, all that shit)

    since vita has software that can be installed on the pc i just can't wait to find out it scans your entire computer
    The ps3 has the ability to print using a printer and to use computers for media servers..... LOL, of COURSE it will map your entire local network. It took people to crack the ps3 to figure that out when it was common sense and given to us from the initial release? Too funny.

    As for this article. Firstly it's posted by a hacking site, and second. A lot of programs require you to be online to use now a days anyways. As far as watching what your doing? It might be, it might not be. Unless your doing something illegal, why should you care? Just don't transfer your illegal stuff onto the Vita and it's fine. Now it'd be different if it scans your computer completely and sends any and all information and files from your computer to Sony. But I highly doubt that will be the case because that is a infringement on your privacy.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy72 View Post
    its still a "right" smarten the fuck up
    This is not a right infringement unless it copies all information and files from your computer and goes to Sony(instead of the Vita). So the guy in the article is a fking idiot in that aspect. As I've said before, people fail to realize that the internet is not a right, and the use of software is not a right. Before you use anything, you must read TOS/TOA's and sign them whether it's digitally, or hand written. They lay the rules down that we must follow. Which is why 1st amendment rights are almost non-existent online. Since we will be using their program to transfer stuff between the PC and Vita, Sony is allowed to see what the transferred files are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxymoron28 View Post
    Until you want people to know what you do with banana's and lady folk?
    I should have never brought banana's into this.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy72 View Post
    i really dont have to defend myself, but i am well educated. I have 2 degrees and several certifications.
    what do you have? I mean besides wet dreams about being popular.
    go back to the loser table in high school *rant*
    Ahh a grown man who still uses insults regarding virginity and high school cliques. Your arguments have indeed swayed me sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagflar View Post
    Well, thanks to you it ain't a secret anymore, is it?
    It's a secret between me, you, your victims and the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgar View Post
    I should have never brought banana's into this.
    No, you really shouldn't of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minarum View Post
    So you support the destruction of a good handheld? Looking at the Psp's track record, if the Vita gets hacked early on for piracy, we'll see a Psp2.0 and the end of the Vita really fast.

    just like how apple's iphone died when it was hacked by geohot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ps360 View Post
    just like how apple's iphone died when it was hacked by geohot
    Your poor analogy is astounding. How does hacking a phone to open up your possibilities with different carriers compare to hacking a video game handheld for free games? True you are still paying for the initial product(the phone, or the handheld). But it's what the system is made for is what is effected.

    I seriously can't believe you brought up a PHONE to this discussion. Hacking a phone will not increase or decrease your use of the phone, or the ability to make phone calls. Now onto the real argument, hacking a handheld has repercussion as seen with the PSP. Sure PSP sales spiked, but that's because people bought it to get every game for free. It's a nice hit to pay $100-150 for $1000's in free games, and because of that developers refused to make games for the PSP. Which is why the system as a whole failed.

    Please..... use your brain, a phone?

    Now I could understand your analogy if hacking the phone meant, giving you free service to make as many calls, texts, web, etc. That wouldn't HURT or KILL, the Iphone. That'd hurt the carrier that provides the service. Which in turn would have repercussions, and I'm sure wouldn't of passed in courts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minarum View Post
    Your poor analogy is astounding. How does hacking a phone to open up your possibilities with different carriers compare to hacking a video game handheld for free games? True you are still paying for the initial product(the phone, or the handheld). But it's what the system is made for is what is effected.

    I seriously can't believe you brought up a PHONE to this discussion. Hacking a phone will not increase or decrease your use of the phone, or the ability to make phone calls. Now onto the real argument, hacking a handheld has repercussion as seen with the PSP. Sure PSP sales spiked, but that's because people bought it to get every game for free. It's a nice hit to pay $100-150 for $1000's in free games, and because of that developers refused to make games for the PSP. Which is why the system as a whole failed.

    Please..... use your brain, a phone?

    Now I could understand your analogy if hacking the phone meant, giving you free service to make as many calls, texts, web, etc. That wouldn't HURT or KILL, the Iphone. That'd hurt the carrier that provides the service. Which in turn would have repercussions, and I'm sure wouldn't of passed in courts.
    Well, AFAIK Apple earns a percentage of every app sold on its store, so if you jailbreak your own phone and start downloading free apps they'll surely get less money
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minarum View Post
    Your poor analogy is astounding. How does hacking a phone to open up your possibilities with different carriers compare to hacking a video game handheld for free games? True you are still paying for the initial product(the phone, or the handheld). But it's what the system is made for is what is effected.

    and install pirated apps and tons of third party apps that were told no by apple. Also Themes, Widgets and tons of awesome stuff like Wifi-tethering without changing plans, downloading Stuff that forces wifi through 3G, etc.

    and the iphone has a ton of games to pirate. since it's easy to jailbreak and pirate surely the iphone will be a dead platform by now?

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    i`ve resorted too many times to childish comments and am stopping it now, (hopefully)
    banana, train analogy, lol I like it
    as for the rest, blah blah, blah
    the "world" needs to stay out of the rest of the "worlds" private life. yes privacy IS a right
    I dont support piracy, I support fair practice. when I say i`ll only get it after its hacked, is because then Sony will "have" to lower the price point, and listen to its supporters who dont, among other things want to be spied on. I never said I would pirate any of it.
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    Still not the same thing.

    1 - Apple makes money on all phones, I'm not sure Sony does or not with PS Vita
    2 - Phone companies give money to apple to be able to sell the iPhone (why do you think they had exclusive contracts) - this will not be the same with psp
    3 - An iPhone is a phone with extra features ! PSP is a games console, that is it.

    Also moan about privacy when you know exactly what Sony are traking...

    I'm sure Valve track information too ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ps360 View Post
    and install pirated apps and tons of third party apps that were told no by apple. Also Themes, Widgets and tons of awesome stuff like Wifi-tethering without changing plans, downloading Stuff that forces wifi through 3G, etc.

    and the iphone has a ton of games to pirate. since it's easy to jailbreak and pirate surely the iphone will be a dead platform by now?
    Yeah because you know, the iPhone is just a gaming machine, there's no other use or purpose behind the iPhone at all. right?


    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy72 View Post
    i`ve resorted too many times to childish comments and am stopping it now, (hopefully)
    banana, train analogy, lol I like it
    as for the rest, blah blah, blah
    the "world" needs to stay out of the rest of the "worlds" private life. yes privacy IS a right
    I dont support piracy, I support fair practice. when I say i`ll only get it after its hacked, is because then Sony will "have" to lower the price point, and listen to its supporters who dont, among other things want to be spied on. I never said I would pirate any of it.
    im done, Rob has left the building
    Why would Sony have to lower the price? the price point of the Vita is a damn good one all things considered, it has better specs then tablet PC's within a price range of 600...

    As for the privacy argument again, humour me, what of your privacy has been interfered with here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaito View Post
    Well, AFAIK Apple earns a percentage of every app sold on its store, so if you jailbreak your own phone and start downloading free apps they'll surely get less money
    its not less money if I make a theme and give it to a friend, and another, and another. no money is being made, so no money is lost. how about windows says you ant change your desktop picture you have to have keep their window picture there. you give a bad example. If I own something "I" own it. I an use it as a paper weight, as a throwing stone whatever "I" the "OWNER" wants!
    you, cr"apple" shit$soft, even $ony, CANT tell me what to do with MY PROPERTY, i have not licensed anything.....I BOUGHT it, to use as I see fit. As long as there is no copy righted material or tools used, its all good read all about it here Digital Millennium Copyright Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxymoron28 View Post
    Yeah because you know, the iPhone is just a gaming machine, there's no other use or purpose behind the iPhone at all. right?



    Why would Sony have to lower the price? the price point of the Vita is a damn good one all things considered, it has better specs then tablet PC's within a price range of 600...

    As for the privacy argument again, humor me, what of your privacy has been interfered with here?
    price point for the mandatory proprietary memory card, just as easily could be a micro, an sd, whatever... nope they made their own and set a ridiculous price.
    my privacy, what business is it of theirs how and for what I use my vita for, porn, surfing the web, games, what games i play. This is all personal information that I dont want them or anyone else to have. is it petty? yeah sure "THIS" is, but where does it stop? "ANY" invasion of privacy is a bad thing no matter who or where it comes from

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy72 View Post
    yes privacy IS a right
    I dont support piracy, I support fair practice. when I say i`ll only get it after its hacked, is because then Sony will "have" to lower the price point, and listen to its supporters who dont, among other things want to be spied on. I never said I would pirate any of it.
    im done, Rob has left the building
    Privacy is a to a right to an extent, but were not talking about privacy. Were talking about information and files used and transferred by a Sony program. No privacy involved unless you purposely put private stuff on a gaming machine.

    As for it being hacked and Sony lowering the price. They won't lower the price because it's hacked, they'll lower the price when it becomes cheaper to make the Vita. Just like all systems and technology. But to "I'll only buy it when its hacked", doesn't relate to price.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ps360 View Post
    and install pirated apps and tons of third party apps that were told no by apple. Also Themes, Widgets and tons of awesome stuff like Wifi-tethering without changing plans, downloading Stuff that forces wifi through 3G, etc.

    and the iphone has a ton of games to pirate. since it's easy to jailbreak and pirate surely the iphone will be a dead platform by now?
    *facepalm*... What part of a phone do you not understand? Do you use a phone to game? Why? I use a gaming machine to game. I don't know how ipod and iphones work as far as their app store. But on Android market and Amazon's store, almost every program and game IS FREE but you get ads. Sure it'll take sales away from Apple, but that still doesn't support your case BECAUSE we are talking about a PHONE. Phones are meant to be used for making calls and texting. I guess Apple might be the Live version of online? Charge for everything, even things that are meant to be free? I get everything you listed on my android for free.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy72 View Post
    its not less money if I make a theme and give it to a friend, and another, and another. no money is being made, so no money is lost. how about windows says you ant change your desktop picture you have to have keep their window picture there. you give a bad example. If I own something "I" own it. I an use it as a paper weight, as a throwing stone whatever "I" the "OWNER" wants!
    you, cr"apple" shit$soft, even $ony, CANT tell me what to do with MY PROPERTY, i have not licensed anything.....I BOUGHT it, to use as I see fit. As long as there is no copy righted material or tools used, its all good read all about it here Digital Millennium Copyright Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Yes, but out of the products you do own. Some of the software, you do not officially own and you do infact license. Just depends on the openness and restrictions on what you can and can not do.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy72 View Post
    price point for the mandatory proprietary memory card, just as easily could be a micro, an sd, whatever... nope they made their own and set a ridiculous price.
    my privacy, what business is it of theirs how and for what I use my vita for, porn, surfing the web, games, what games i play. This is all personal information that I dont want them or anyone else to have. is it petty? yeah sure "THIS" is, but where does it stop? "ANY" invasion of privacy is a bad thing no matter who or where it comes from
    Technically the memory card price is the going price as far as most retail stores go. Now if you shop on ebay or amazon, then of course it's a ripoff. But the personal one they made was to help protect their system from hackers. And because of that, I'll gladly pay the extra cash so that the Vita will have decent games and a decent life span...

    If your that scared over what Sony can see while your transferring files or playing the Vita online... How do you feel about the rest of the country and world for that matter? Satellites, peeping toms, cameras everywhere, your personal information up for grabs just because you entered your information into a site like this, etc. There are bigger privacy invasion things going on outside and on the WWW to really worry about something as small as this. The only true way to get away from it is to go live on a island where you are king and leave all your electronics and technology away....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy72 View Post
    price point for the mandatory proprietary memory card, just as easily could be a micro, an sd, whatever... nope they made their own and set a ridiculous price.
    Sony have always enjoyed creating and using their own storage medium, Sony are about advancing technology and not using the same technology over and over.

    Some times they fail (UMD for instance) sometimes they succeed (Blu-Ray). Yes, they're costly on us, but they're a luxury not a commodity.

    my privacy, what business is it of theirs how and for what I use my vita for, porn, surfing the web, games, what games i play. This is all personal information that I dont want them or anyone else to have. is it petty? yeah sure "THIS" is, but where does it stop? "ANY" invasion of privacy is a bad thing no matter who or where it comes from
    Again, argument through ignorance. The writer to the article stated themselves, that they do not know what information the software processes, they used the sensationalist term "spy" and guessed at what information was processed to tussle a few feathers and get people like you foaming at the mouth to try and persuade you to their cause.

    It's expectant for the likes of PS360 to jump to conclusions based on little to no information, is it to also be expectant of you now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy72 View Post
    im done, Rob has left the building
    *Sees your new post* Knew you couldn't resist our lovely mugs.

    If you really want to make a statement about something like an electronic device, try not buying the damn thing. Sooner or later, more people are going to see how it isn't doing well due to various reasons. They'll investigate (If they're smart), and they will see the flaws and risks, and will not buy it themselves.

    Of course there are sheep out there that will blindly buy stupid crap like this for the sake of being in the know or because it was made by Sony.
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