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My 6 Year Old Son Finished Uncharted 3 by Himself

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    Man, this anecdotal evidence and liberal usage of the slippery slope fallacy sure has convinced me! Years from now, when I have children, I'll make sure to let a lazy, generalized system of letter ratings decide if my children are advanced enough to choose and evaluate their own. virtual. entertainment.

    Since you all seem to like anecdotes so much, here's one for you: I'm pretty messed up, or as it's called when fearmongerers need to sound professional, desensitized. You know what age I played any game above E10+? 16. (And to this day I've never played anything more violent than Fallout 3 with "Bloody Mess" - which is so over-the-top you're insane if you're telling me it's an example of encouraging violence.) I've never watched violent movies or TV either, as in general I don't enjoy the more "static" arts.

    Do you know why I got desensitized to virtual violence?

    Because I had shitty parenting like you all admire, the kind that is obtusely blind to the importance of a child being "normal" among their peers. When my parents made sure all the things society likes to demonize, the things that all my friends were playing with no negative reaction, the things that were - *pearl clutch* - disgustingly immoral... I took to the immoral things people don't talk about. Sites where pornography of all stripes (and legal statuses) can be found, where a man - a live, human being - getting decapitated via chainsaw was something of entertainment. Sick stuff that I never would have found if I had these *evil shooting games*, if I could go to school and, you know, feel included in conversations. As my parents still fail to learn, the devil they knew was better than the one they didn't. So why are you going to make the same mistakes?

    I know one of you dolts is going to say "well thats why I filter the internet too!!", so let me make it clear that the point is that parents cannot really censor their children's world, no matter the measures taken. Kids are smart enough to beat U3, and they're smart enough to maneuver around your holier-than-"lazy parent" garbage.

    And speaking of your disdain for lazy parents, you know what's really lazy? Choosing to forcefully alienate your child from their peers rather than buy them the eviiiiil games and - god forbid - sit down and talk with them about what it means!

    Also lazy: not researching the "evidence" linking violent games to violent tendencies. Ah, yes, annoying someone with a loud noise, clearly on par with shooting up a school. (Have any of you actually questioned how they could study actual acts of violence in a lab? I'll give you a hint, they can't!)

    Good god. You people are actually raising children. Absolutely horrifying.


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    Jesus Christ. This escalated quickly. A 6 year old kid played through a bloody good game, it's not serious business time. Damn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltergeist View Post
    Do you know why I got desensitized to virtual violence?
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    Because I had shitty parenting like you all admire, the kind that is obtusely blind to the importance of a child being "normal" among their peers.
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    And speaking of your disdain for lazy parents, you know what's really lazy? Choosing to forcefully alienate your child from their peers rather than buy them the eviiiiil games and - god forbid - sit down and talk with them about what it means!
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    And speaking of your disdain for lazy parents, you know what's really lazy? Choosing to forcefully alienate your child from their peers rather than buy them the eviiiiil games and - god forbid - sit down and talk with them about what it means!
    It comes down to responsible parenting and also accepting that no matter how perfect an environment you create for your kid, you will make mistakes and your kids will blame you for their fuck-ups.

    Read my previous post where I said 2 or 3 years below the ratings age is more appropriate. That way, you don't make a pariah out of your kid by turning them into a bubble boy. And remember, we're talking about 6 years old - playing Uncharted 3 is not "normal".

    It's all about moderation and finding the middle-ground, not going to one extreme or another. Your parents were at the conservative extreme and you have no way of knowing whether violent video games would have eased your troubles, or exacerbated them. The OP's at the other liberal extreme and lets his 6 years play violent video games. There's no way of knowing if he'll turn out normal or if there'll be a longer-term deleterious effect. It is what it is, you can't change the past. I'll personally take the middle path and aim for "normal" and let them play games that are more age-appropriate.

    Most parents do the best with what they have and their objective is simply to protect their kids from harm, teach them right from wrong and raise healthy adults with happier childhoods than they had. That often leads to a more conservative or liberal parenting path to avoid the mistakes your oldies made with you. But as a parent, no matter how good a job you think you did, you will still fuck it up in the eyes of your teenager and they will find a way to hate you for it.

    Maybe when you're a parent, you'll understand and your perception of good and bad parenting will change. Until then, you haven't got a fucking clue. Mine certainly has - I thought it would be awesome to raise my own minion army of uber-micro-gamers and couldn't wait until they were old enough to pick up a DualShock.

    But the reality is, I don't want my life for them, I want them to do and be better than me, so I have to moderate my wants with their needs. At age 6, they don't need to hear Drake shouting "Fuck!" and shooting another bad guy in the face. Putting my want for them to game with me ahead of their need for a normal childhood is lazy parenting.

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    Also lazy: not researching the "evidence" linking violent games to violent tendencies. Ah, yes, annoying someone with a loud noise, clearly on par with shooting up a school. (Have any of you actually questioned how they could study actual acts of violence in a lab? I'll give you a hint, they can't!)!
    Physiological responses to stimuli are easily measured. Here's one study - http://psychcentral.com/news/2006/07...lence/137.html

    How do you think lie detectors work? What's that bump in your pants when you get sexually aroused? Why do we sweat, flare our nostrils, go red and yell when we're angry? Why do our pulse rates elevate, pupils dilate, goosebumps appear and we shake when we're frightened? All measurable physiological responses to stimuli.

    That said, I agree - there's no way to specifically link gaming to acts of violence other than to dig into a person's pyschological profile. Those tendencies either inherently exist or they don't, in which case, games will make little difference, because as you've rightly pointed out, they'll find a way to sate their appetite.

    But the link can be established between violent games and desensitisation to real-life violence, just as it can be established between violent movies and real-life violence. The link to gaming appears to be stronger because we participate in it rather than witness it as a bystander.

    I'm not the slightest bit worried that my kids will turn into murderers by playing violent games too young. But I am concerned about them losing empathy towards their fellow human beings and not caring when someone needs help.

    Is it appropriate to play violent games at age 12?...sure, if they're mature enough to understand it. Age 6?...maybe not. Half of them still wet the bed, believe in monsters and are scared to sleep with the lights off.

    I'm not advocating against violent video games, nor am I advocating against gaming in general. I'm advocating for easing them along a smoother path by playing age-appropriate games until they're equipped to understand and correctly interpret extreme virtual violence against humans.
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    This thread is making my head hurt , in my opinion as long as he understands its just a game I see no problem with it , have fun with your son man , you sound like a good dad who loves him .

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    I don't understan why people are arguing about this. Eveybody is a different parent. If and when I have a kid, I'll let them play games when they are around 5; you can't baby them forever, they need to mature. Plus I'll tell them not to go kill a hooker, because that's basic knowledge. If you don't like it, get over it, it's different parenting techniques. If your kid starts to kick the shit out of people because they learned how to do so from a game, then maybe you should start to show concern.

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    Your child beat Uncharted 3 by himself? Thats awesome hows that lead to bad parenting? As long as he knows its a game its all good right? You know what most parents let there 6 year old children play? COD. Its full of an environment with vulgar language and most importantly killing is the point of the game. Uncharted had killing sure but its an exciting story to make your kid more like an adventurer not a murderer. Hell I was playing alot of mature themes games as a kid. I'm not a psycho today shooting everyone I see jeez people need to chill.

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    Kids grow up a lot faster these days , internet , TV , mobile phones and so on , way too many people on the PC brigade on this site , a kid playing Uncharted wont do shit to them , if you are thinking it might lead to a massacre or something it wont . If a game , movie is scary and could give them nightmares then don't let them do it but Uncharted ............................ really
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    Quote Originally Posted by cengizbobengiz View Post
    I don't understan why people are arguing about this. Eveybody is a different parent. If and when I have a kid, I'll let them play games when they are around 5; you can't baby them forever, they need to mature. Plus I'll tell them not to go kill a hooker, because that's basic knowledge. If you don't like it, get over it, it's different parenting techniques. If your kid starts to kick the shit out of people because they learned how to do so from a game, then maybe you should start to show concern.
    No-one's arguing, we're simply putting forward opposing sides of a controversial debate. Is 6 too young to play violent video games? Some say yes, some say no. Posting the topic was always going to ignite debate and it's healthy to discuss it.

    My older 2 kids, aged 3 and 1.5 don't get babied. They are toughened up and educated about the real world, are under no illusions about the dangers they face and are taught what to do in an emergency. But it's at a level that's appropriate for their age, just like gaming.

    Maturation can't be forced. You don't run before you can crawl. You don't throw a kid in the deep end of a pool and let them figure it out. You graduate them over time to accommodate their skill level.

    Equally, I'm in no hurry for them to grow up - being a kid is magical and we spend a good deal of our adult lives trying to recapture that magic through our entertainment. Exposing them too early to adult concepts can do harm to brains that absorb information like a sponge.

    Also worth stating is no-one is calling the guy a bad father for letting his kid do it. Each to their own. Getting a kid to adulthood alive is an achievement in itself and no matter which parental path you choose, most people turn out pretty normal. We all have our personal demons to fight, but most of us aren't shooting up schools and we cannot blame gaming for that. But for the parents of those who do turn out psychos, they have to look at how they contributed to the outcome and desensitising your kids to violence is one potential factor.

    When I didn't have kids I thought I'd take the same approach to gaming (maybe not M15+ at 6, but similar) but when you squirt the little fuckers into this world, you reassess your approach and aim for the best thing for your kids. For his kid, that might be to allow him to play adult games and kill small furry animals. For my kids, that's not what I want them to learn. He's not wrong, nor am I and we can both justify our approaches, but allowing my 6 year old to play violent games is wrong for me.

    The crux of my argument is not whether or not it's ok to play violent video games at all because in my house, it is inevitable. It's that I want my kids to feel that violence is wrong and to care when someone is in trouble. I'll also equip them to hand out a can of whoopass so they don't become victims themselves.

    Violent entertainment in any form at a young age can kill off the sense of empathy and along with it, a part of our humanity. So I'll delay their exposure to violent games, either direct by playing themselves, or indirect by seeing me play, until they're at an age where they can fully understand and appreciate the difference between fantasy and reality.

    At the age of 2 or 3, kids understand that what's going on in movies or games is just "pretend". However, at age 6, they're still too young to know that the aggression or violence they emulate in-game is not how to behave in the real world when you're not around to control it.

    Even if you sit your kid down and tell them right from wrong and real from pretend, they're receiving conflicting messages because you allow it when they play video games. Play is the contextual word, not the heavier concept of violence. So when they're also playing with other kids, it's only natural they extend their fantasy world into reality where it's potentially ok to be violent then too.

    That's much more of a problem with younger kids than older ones. And if they do end up hurting someone, will they care when they've been trained not to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ant1th3s1s View Post
    How many of us as kids thought TV characters were real? When I was a young kid I thought TVs were home to tiny people. How many of us picked up a stick or kicked or punched our friends because the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers and Ninja Turtles did it? A child's sense of morality is based on what they see others doing (monkey see, monkey do), not on what they're told to do.
    When I was six I was convinced that I was an Animorph.

    As far as violent games go, Uncharted is pretty tame. He's not setting his kids down with Manhunt and then going out for drinks. Sitting with your kid and explaining what's going on, and answering any questions they may have is very productive.
    6 years old, eh? Solid achievement, well done.

    Definitely not a good time to post a story like this, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cengizbobengiz View Post
    I don't understan why people are arguing about this. Eveybody is a different parent. If and when I have a kid, I'll let them play games when they are around 5; you can't baby them forever, they need to mature. Plus I'll tell them not to go kill a hooker, because that's basic knowledge. If you don't like it, get over it, it's different parenting techniques. If your kid starts to kick the shit out of people because they learned how to do so from a game, then maybe you should start to show concern.
    Uncharted 3 should not be for people under 10 year olds... Period.


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    Quote Originally Posted by STRANGEgenius View Post
    Uncharted 3 should not be for people under 10 year olds... Period.
    Whenever I'm under a 10 year old, I had an odd craving for Uncharted 3.


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    [QUOTE=Eckes13;446514]Congrats lil man, if only our parents where as excited as your...When my parents heard i finished a game, all they would say is - "Make it last, Your not getting another anytime soon."

    Lol....yep ^^^^^ Will Smith said it best, 'some parents just don't understand"...I think it's awesome. The game is rated "M" oohhh noooo!! what a horrible parent!! lol If you are going to base this one experience to determine his entire parenting skills, then....you are lame. that's all.
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    [QUOTE=jmargraves;487415]
    Quote Originally Posted by Eckes13 View Post
    Congrats lil man, if only our parents where as excited as your...When my parents heard i finished a game, all they would say is - "Make it last, Your not getting another anytime soon."

    Lol....yep ^^^^^ Will Smith said it best, 'some parents just don't understand"...I think it's awesome. The game is rated "M" oohhh noooo!! what a horrible parent!! lol If you are going to base this one experience to determine his entire parenting skills, then....you are lame. that's all.
    I would say some parents DO understand, especially the ones that have posted here, having played violent videogames at an early age as well.
    I don't think anyone's judging anyone else in here, I think everybody is just sharing their experience and arguing whether they *think* it's appropriate or not to let them play.
    Personally I'm not against letting children play videogames, and even while Uncharted is not that violent I would argue that there are games better suited for kids than third person shooters. In the end there's no right or wrong answer, as long as we all think about consequences before giving exposing our children to such strong and influential forms of art as videogames or movies.

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    Old thread is old.
    Let it rest in peace.

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    Rachael is 10 now she had her birthday 2 days ago and she hates kids games because they don't challenge her and she has played some bloodthirsty brutal games including GoW:A which is R18+. She knows good and well that when the game gets turned off not to do things in RL that she does in them and that everything is fake from the minds of brilliant people, so she doesn't get nightmares.


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    Wow, seems it didn't take long for this thread to escalate, lol.

    How about each individual parent pays attention to what their kids are doing and make decisions on a case by case basis. Just cuz you know a kid who shouldn't play violent video games doesn't mean my kid shouldn't.

    I'm not a believer in video games making kids violent, unless their predisposed to that behavior anyway. But if you want to make a case for video games making them lazy, I'm in your corner 100%. But in the end it goes back to paying attention to your kids, look at them as an asset not a liability.
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