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PS4 TOS doesn't allow you to re-sale games

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ps360 View Post
    I can see why it didn't succeed at first, as it's digital content, however, with the new PS TOS including disc-based software, if the courts get involved, Sony will likely have to double back on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ps360 View Post
    other fun parts of the TOS

    4.1. All Software is licensed, not sold, which means you acquire rights to use the Software, as described in these Terms, but you do not acquire ownership of the Software. If you do not comply with these Terms, we can terminate your Software License which means you will no longer have the right to use the Software.

    14.1. Yes but we can't monitor all PSN activity and we make no commitment to do so. However, we reserve the right in our sole discretion to monitor and record any or all of your PSN activity and to remove any of your UGM at our sole discretion, without further notice to you. Your use of PSN and our community features may be recorded and collected by us or sent to us by other users as described in 13.1. Any information collected in this way, for example, your UGM, the content of your voice and text communications, video of your gameplay, the time and location of your activities, and your name, your PSN Online ID and IP address, may be used by us or our affiliated companies to enforce these Terms and the SEN Terms of Service, to comply with the law, to protect our rights and those of our licensors and users, and to protect the personal safety of our employees and users. This information may be passed to the police or other appropriate authorities. By accepting these Software Usage Terms, you expressly consent to this.
    I love that they have to reiterate it.

    By accepting, you consent to this btw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagflar View Post
    Actually, they (Sony) will stop you from selling their games, according to the way it's worded. It also mentions what you just did about other publishers.

    While that's true, do you really think they'll just allow you to resell them? If they were to, they wouldn't incliude themselves in that part, and would just stick to the "other publishers" part. This all makes Sony look a bit bad in that regard, since they're pretty much telling you that they won't let you sell your games to others without their permission, which they most likely won't give you.
    Of course they have to include themselves, you aren't going to alienate yourself from other games companies by saying outright 'never'. Have to cover the bases there. I'm merely translating it based on what has been said previously.

    Sony may do silly and ignorant things as a company but taking advantage of MS' arrogance by stating you can sell, trade or just plain give away your games and turning around and stating 'well actually, we only said that to get sales, you can sell nothing unless you come crawling to our HQ, covered in jam ' is a tad beyond ridiculous.

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    A few posts on neogaf said its the exact same wording of the ToS in that section which has been been there since ps2/ps3.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Danko1900 View Post
    14.1 is pretty interesting, basically they claim the right to snitch on you. I understand recording to enforce rules, but the fact that they will forward info to the police is drawing the line.
    So lets say someones sending you voice/text messages threatening you, you don't think they should send it to the police?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesorrell View Post
    It should be noted that this is for the EU terms of service, as I've looked on the US site and there is nothing about resale. These new terms are applicable to the PS3, as well as all Playstation systems. Sony will need to clarify this (at least the EU branch), as it actually mentions the PS4 having DRM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ps360 View Post
    not to mention the resale part is actually illegal in the EU and steam is in the same trouble due to it.
    Shouldn't your title read "PS4 EU tos doesn't allow you to resale games" then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveyHasselhoff View Post
    Shouldn't your title read "PS4 EU tos doesn't allow you to resale games" then?
    It should be changed to that with an added "in accordance with European law."

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    AND this is already in place for anyone who accepts the ToS on their PS3 in EU anyway, it isn't like Sony is suddenly changing things and adding something new

    PlayStation«3 Game Discs

    Game software is licensed for home use only on authorised PlayStation«3 systems in Europe, the Middle East, Africa and Oceania only
    You may not lease, rent, sublicense, publish, modify, adapt, or translate any portion of the Game Software.
    You may not use the Game Software commercially, broadcast it, charge for its use, use it in a public arcade or make other public performance of it without express permission from Sony Computer Entertainment Europe
    To the fullest extent permitted by law, you may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble any portion of the Game Software, or create any derivative works, or otherwise attempt to create Game Software source code from its object code.
    You may not use any unauthorised, illegal, counterfeit, or modified hardware or software in connection with the Game Software to bypass, disable, or circumvent any encryption, security, or authentication mechanism for the PlayStation«3 system.
    You may not resell Game Software unless expressly authorised by Sony Computer Entertainment Europe

    UK PlayStation 3 Software Usage Terms┬*-┬*Legal information and notices

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    no way this is real, after they made such a point to emphasize how you COULD lend and sell games, one of the systems major selling points, thers like a 0.00000000000000001% chance they'd shoot themselves in the face and all of a sudden you just can't sell/lend, that would have to be the stupidest business decision ever, theres NO WAY, and with less than a week to launch, this is just a goof up or something


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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange-Vision View Post
    no way this is real, after they made such a point to emphasize how you COULD lend and sell games, one of the systems major selling points, thers like a 0.00000000000000001% chance they'd shoot themselves in the face and all of a sudden you just can't sell/lend, that would have to be the stupidest business decision ever, theres NO WAY, and with less than a week to launch, this is just a goof up or something
    I'm not doubting that this could be a goof up, it's only stated in the EU terms of service, not in the US.

    TERMS OF SERVICE AND USER AGREEMENT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danko1900 View Post
    Wow, they really dropped the ball with this new addition to the ToS. They really need to clarify what there intention is. 14.1 is pretty interesting, basically they claim the right to snitch on you. I understand recording to enforce rules, but the fact that they will forward info to the police is drawing the line.
    Actually I disagree largely over this, especially what with the recent case with Nintendos swap note feature being used to groom children (or at least the accusation is there) and a few years back the same thing happened with Xbox live. There is always an outcry for more to be done by these companies and the police to prevent such things, hence the gathering of information.

    Don't worry, they wont tell the police about your narcotics use, just if you start talking in depth about how you're going to rape that really fit bird from your science class, or about how you intend to bomb some public place...expect a rat-a-tat-tat at your door...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxymoron28 View Post
    Actually I disagree largely over this, especially what with the recent case with Nintendos swap note feature being used to groom children (or at least the accusation is there)
    there was a actual pedo case that shut it down.

    no lie. Guy met girls in hotel room multiple times before nintendo/police found out.

    im guessing it's a temp shutdown.


    Quote Originally Posted by Oxymoron28 View Post
    Don't worry, they wont tell the police about your narcotics use, just if you start talking in depth about how you're going to rape that really fit bird from your science class, or about how you intend to bomb some public place...expect a rat-a-tat-tat at your door...


    i don't like the "If you have nothing to hide, let them do whatever" idea at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ps360 View Post
    there was a actual pedo case that shut it down.

    no lie. Guy met girls in hotel room multiple times before nintendo/police found out.

    im guessing it's a temp shutdown.
    I read it wasn't confirmed, but yeah seems to be the case!





    i don't like the "If you have nothing to hide, let them do whatever" idea at all.
    I see what you mean, but it's not like someones watching you 24/7 when you use it, it's not like that TSA episode of south park, it'll just be a system of algorithms looking for suspicious activity.

    Plus I believe in the UK at least, any recorded information like this, has to be deleted after something like 72 hours, unless action is being taken.



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