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    PS4 TOS doesn't allow you to re-sale games




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    Now to wait and see if there's a way Sony can enforce this, because if they can, then we can't just ignore it and get away without suffering any kind of punishment .

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    You best clarify this quickly, Sony
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    Pretty sure this covers the whole ' We ( Sony ) won't stop you selling your games but where other companies are concerned? Well, that's out of our hands if they want to be dicks about it. ' angle we knew would happen.
    Not really shocking, merely a confirmation some companies like those who made a big fuss about stopping online passes, will find other ways to stop you making any money off them.

    And it says no resale without permission which isn't as headline grabbing as ' PS4 tos doesn't allow you to resale games '. You are getting sloppy Ps360.

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    other fun parts of the TOS

    4.1. All Software is licensed, not sold, which means you acquire rights to use the Software, as described in these Terms, but you do not acquire ownership of the Software. If you do not comply with these Terms, we can terminate your Software License which means you will no longer have the right to use the Software.

    14.1. Yes but we can't monitor all PSN activity and we make no commitment to do so. However, we reserve the right in our sole discretion to monitor and record any or all of your PSN activity and to remove any of your UGM at our sole discretion, without further notice to you. Your use of PSN and our community features may be recorded and collected by us or sent to us by other users as described in 13.1. Any information collected in this way, for example, your UGM, the content of your voice and text communications, video of your gameplay, the time and location of your activities, and your name, your PSN Online ID and IP address, may be used by us or our affiliated companies to enforce these Terms and the SEN Terms of Service, to comply with the law, to protect our rights and those of our licensors and users, and to protect the personal safety of our employees and users. This information may be passed to the police or other appropriate authorities. By accepting these Software Usage Terms, you expressly consent to this.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Larrydavidsavatar View Post
    Pretty sure this covers the whole ' We ( Sony ) won't stop you selling your games but where other companies are concerned? Well, that's out of our hands if they want to be dicks about it. ' angle we knew would happen.
    Not really shocking, merely a confirmation some companies like those who made a big fuss about stopping online passes, will find other ways to stop you making any money off them.

    And it says no resale without permission which isn't as headline grabbing as ' PS4 tos doesn't allow you to resale games '. You are getting sloppy Ps360.
    I have to agree with you here, the way its worded would seem stores like gamestop or ebgames can resale games but someone trying to sell their old games on ebay would be not allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ps360 View Post
    other fun parts of the TOS

    4.1. All Software is licensed, not sold, which means you acquire rights to use the Software, as described in these Terms, but you do not acquire ownership of the Software. If you do not comply with these Terms, we can terminate your Software License which means you will no longer have the right to use the Software.

    14.1. Yes but we can't monitor all PSN activity and we make no commitment to do so. However, we reserve the right in our sole discretion to monitor and record any or all of your PSN activity and to remove any of your UGM at our sole discretion, without further notice to you. Your use of PSN and our community features may be recorded and collected by us or sent to us by other users as described in 13.1. Any information collected in this way, for example, your UGM, the content of your voice and text communications, video of your gameplay, the time and location of your activities, and your name, your PSN Online ID and IP address, may be used by us or our affiliated companies to enforce these Terms and the SEN Terms of Service, to comply with the law, to protect our rights and those of our licensors and users, and to protect the personal safety of our employees and users. This information may be passed to the police or other appropriate authorities. By accepting these Software Usage Terms, you expressly consent to this.
    4.1 has essentially been in place for every bit of computer entertainment for the past 10+ years
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larrydavidsavatar View Post
    Pretty sure this covers the whole ' We ( Sony ) won't stop you selling your games but where other companies are concerned? Well, that's out of our hands if they want to be dicks about it. ' angle we knew would happen.
    Not really shocking, merely a confirmation some companies like those who made a big fuss about stopping online passes, will find other ways to stop you making any money off them.

    And it says no resale without permission which isn't as headline grabbing as ' PS4 tos doesn't allow you to resale games '. You are getting sloppy Ps360.
    Actually, they (Sony) will stop you from selling their games, according to the way it's worded. It also mentions what you just did about other publishers.

    While that's true, do you really think they'll just allow you to resell them? If they were to, they wouldn't incliude themselves in that part, and would just stick to the "other publishers" part. This all makes Sony look a bit bad in that regard, since they're pretty much telling you that they won't let you sell your games to others without their permission, which they most likely won't give you.

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    Wow, they really dropped the ball with this new addition to the ToS. They really need to clarify what there intention is. 14.1 is pretty interesting, basically they claim the right to snitch on you. I understand recording to enforce rules, but the fact that they will forward info to the police is drawing the line.

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    I really doubt the police or the judicial system would get involved in something like this. There has never been a precedence before on digital content like cds and games being re-sold at pawn shops, book stores, games stores, etc. As much as these companies now want to control what you do with said product, I just don't see the legal system getting involved or a precedence all of a sudden developing to change what has been common practice for many years. If it does then they would have to extend it to other digital properties as music companies, etc. would also want the re-sell of their items to cease and desist. I would like to see this battle be fought as it would be a losing proposition in the public opinion of which ever company wants to take it up with its customers.

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    so much for what they said at e3. sony need to clear this up

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    I'm hoping this is just them covering their asses (and I'm sure it is), but once the big news outlets pick this up - and they will - then Sony will need to explain exactly what they mean.


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    Well this just became interesting.....What are you doing Sony...

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    It says "SOFTWARE". When we buy any sort of medium, such as a book, music, movie, video games, etc, we DO NOT own the software, meaning the content that comes in it. We are simply given "access" to play or watch or read whatever we buy. We DO NOT actually own the properties of these mediums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M40A3 View Post
    It says "SOFTWARE". When we buy any sort of medium, such as a book, music, movie, video games, etc, we DO NOT own the software, meaning the content that comes in it. We are simply given "access" to play or watch or read whatever we buy. We DO NOT actually own the properties of these mediums.
    And they are all bought and sold. It doesn't matter that it says software instead of print or recorded material. The re-sale of said items would be a difficult task for them to take to court since it hasn't happened yet for other types of information that we have already bought, both new and used, for our entertainment, pleasure or both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GatorShea View Post
    And they are all bought and sold. It doesn't matter that it says software instead of print or recorded material. The re-sale of said items would be a difficult task for them to take to court since it hasn't happened yet for other types of information that we have already bought, both new and used, for our entertainment, pleasure or both.
    The part that mentions re-sale isn't linked to the one that mentions property over software, though, so there's no point in arguing over the subject in this thread.

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    It should be noted that this is for the EU terms of service, as I've looked on the US site and there is nothing about resale. These new terms are applicable to the PS3, as well as all Playstation systems. Sony will need to clarify this (at least the EU branch), as it actually mentions the PS4 having DRM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesorrell View Post
    It should be noted that this is for the EU terms of service, as I've looked on the US site and there is nothing about resale. These new terms are applicable to the PS3, as well as all Playstation systems. Sony will need to clarify this (at least the EU branch), as it actually mentions the PS4 having DRM.
    not to mention the resale part is actually illegal in the EU and steam is in the same trouble due to it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ps360 View Post
    not to mention the resale part is actually illegal in the EU and steam is in the same trouble due to it.
    Didn't know that the resale part is illegal in the EU. Thanks for the info. Hopefully, they'll back off of this and it won't spread to other territories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesorrell View Post
    Didn't know that the resale part is illegal in the EU. Thanks for the info. Hopefully, they'll back off of this and it won't spread to other territories.
    yea, valve encountered the same problem.

    Valve sued over Steam's inability to sell pre-owned games - Destructoid



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