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    New PS4 is codenamed Neo

    Sources: The Upgraded PlayStation 4 is Codenamed NEO, Contains Upgraded CPU, GPU, RAM - Giant Bomb

    [top]Though the NEO will offer greater visual fidelity than the original PS4, Sony is taking measures not to split their user base in two.

    It is not confirmed whether or not the NEO can stop bullets. I'm sorry for this very easy joke, it's been a long day.Earlier this year, rumors began to fly that Sony would release an upgraded version of the PlayStation 4, a console often called the PS4.5 or the PS4K by fans and press. Today, multiple sources have confirmed for us details of the project, which is internally referred to as the NEO. No price was provided, but previous reports indicate that the NEO would sell at $399. At time of publishing, Sony has not returned our request for comment, but we will update this story if the company responds.
    The NEO will feature a higher clock speed than the original PS4, an improved GPU, and higher bandwidth on the memory. The documents we've received note that the HDD in the NEO is the same as that in the original PlayStation 4, but it's not clear if that means in terms of capacity or connection speed. Starting in October, every PS4 game is required to ship with both a “Base Mode” which will run on the currently available PS4 and a “NEO Mode” for use on the new console.
    More Sources Claim PlayStation 4.5 is Real - VGChartz

    Last week a report from Kotaku claimed that Sony was working on an updated version of the PlayStation 4.

    It includes an improved GPU that will be used for 4K support and better processing power that will push the console into the virtual reality market.
    Eurogamer is now reporting it has "independently established" the updated PlayStation 4 and that Sony's R&D labs have prototype devices. There is more than one source that referred to it as the PlayStation 4K.

    "Everything we've heard positions PlayStation 4K as a machine capable of playing current and next-generation ultra HD media, while also offering support for other aspects of the 4K spec, such as high-dynamic range and a wider colour gamut - aspects of the 4K spec that could be introduced to gaming," states Eurogamer. "However, in terms of additional computational power, we've got be realistic about what Sony can deliver with a mid-generation refresh.
    "We can say that with some degree of certainty because PlayStation 4K will almost certainly use an evolved version of the APU technology used in the current console. Once again we will see semi-custom versions of AMD's CPU and GPU technology integrated into a single, console-friendly processor, and thanks to the firm's openness with its technology roadmaps, we have a good idea of the base building blocks Sony has access to in building its next PlayStation.
    "We also know about the fabrication technologies available. PlayStation 4 and Xbox One arrived when 28nm microprocessors were firmly established, and right now the industry is moving on to 14nm and 16nm chips using 3D 'FinFET' transistors. Shrinking transistors and innovative new architecture are what make generational leaps in computational power possible.
    "Knowledge of both of these areas, along with the idea that the device has to fit into a console form-factor, not to mention the compatibility required with the existing PlayStation 4, narrows the amount of options Sony has available significantly."


    Games running in NEO mode will be able to use the hardware upgrades (and an additional 512 MiB in the memory budget) to offer increased and more stable frame rate and higher visual fidelity, at least when those games run at 1080p on HDTVs. The NEO will also support 4K image output, but games themselves are not required to be 4K native.
    In the documents we’ve received, Sony offers suggestions for reaching 4K/UltraHD resolutions for NEO mode game builds, but they're also giving developers a degree of freedom with how to approach this. 4K TV owners should expect the NEO to upscale games to fit the format, but one place Sony is unwilling to bend is on frame rate. Throughout the documents, Sony repeatedly reminds developers that the frame rate of games in NEO Mode must meet or exceed the frame rate of the game on the original PS4 system.
    Sadly, I doubt that the NEO will be anywhere near as cute as this.The NEO will not supplant the current PS4, but will exist alongside of it and use the same user environment. The PS4 and NEO will use the same PSN store, connect to the same online communities, and offer the same user experience, so expect to see the same cross media bar that you’re used to. Players will be able to retain all of the purchases they made on the PS4.
    Sony seems committed to keeping the NEO and the original PS4 player bases connected. As such, there will be no NEO-only games, and Sony will not let developers separate NEO users from original PS4 players while playing on PSN. Likewise, Sony explicitly and repeatedly states that developers cannot offer exclusive gameplay options or special unlockables for NEO players—so don’t expect NEO owners to get a level editor or a special Rocket League car that you won’t have access to on your original PS4. That said, so long as both systems have the same feature, the NEO can run an improved version. A local co-op game that features four players on the base PS4 could offer an eight player co-op mode on the NEO, for instance. But again, don't expect those differences to transfer to online modes.
    PS4 Base and NEO versions of a game will also need to have parity with regard to peripheral support. So don’t expect NEO Games to have exclusive VR modes. Sony makes no mention of PlayStation VR in the docs we've seen, so it's hard to know what that means for the persistent rumors that this upgraded PS4 will be able to support PSVR without the "breakout box" that the headset ships with. That said, so long as the NEO's upgrades apply to PSVR games, developers should be able to get even more performance out of Sony's VR headset.
    Fallout 4 is one game of many that could benefit from the NEO... if Bethesda is willing to put in the work.Though every PS4 game released as of October of this year will need to support both the original PS4 and the NEO, that doesn’t necessarily mean that the Neo will release in October. Additionally, games released in the late September window will require a day one patch that updates them to NEO standards. The documents we’ve received explicitly note that devs are allowed to launch NEO-ready games before the NEO itself releases.
    Games released previous to the NEO can take advantage of this hardware upgrade, but only if developers decide to patch their titles. That isn’t too surprising: This was never going to be a magical “upgrade” device. I'm curious to see if any developers will take advantage of the NEO to improve previous PS4 releases. (I would certainly appreciate it if Bethesda would give the NEO-treatment to Fallout 4).
    All of this is pretty well in line with early reports and rumors. A recent Digital Foundry report outlined the likely limits of an upgraded PS4, and the info we've received from sources seems in line with those findings.
    I'm happy that Sony will take steps to keep the PS4 and NEO users connected, and that they are setting strict guidelines for developers. There's a chance that will help to keep the user base unified despite new hardware entering the market. This could be a hard sell to those users who only recently purchased a PS4 if there isn't an upgrade path made available to them. At the same time, this could pave the way to drop the original PS4 price even further, offering cheaper access to a really solid console. In any case, I'm hopeful that Sony can make this work. Expect more details to emerge over the coming weeks.


    Sources: PS4.5 Codenamed NEO, Improved CPU, GPU, RAM - VGChartz

    [top]Sources: PS4.5 Codenamed NEO, Improved CPU, GPU, RAM - News




    by William D'Angelo, posted 8 hours ago / 3,126 Views There have been several rumors over the last couple of months that Sony is working on an upgraded PlayStation 4. The press have been calling it the PlayStation 4.5 and 4K, however, multiple sources have told Giant Bomb internally it is codenamed NEO.
    The sources claimed that starting in October, every PlayStation 4 game must run on current PlayStation 4 consoles and feature a "NEO Mode" that works only on the new console.

    Here are the specs released by the sources:

    Original PS4 PS4 NEO
    CPU 8 Jaguar Cores at 1.6 GHz 8 Jaguar Cores at 2.1 GHz
    GPU AMD GCN, 18 CUs at 800 MHz Improved AMD GCN, 36 CUs at 911 MHz
    Memory 8 GB GDDR5, 176 GB/s 8 GB GDDR5, 218 GB/s
    There will be no NEO only games and users will not be separated while playing games online through PSN. However, local co-op is a different story. If a game can have four player local co-op on the original PlayStation 4, the NEO can support eight player local co-op.

    Was hoping for more RAM and a price point.

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    Give me a 60fps Bloodborne as a launch title and I'll be there day 1


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    Quote Originally Posted by MAXTHUNDER View Post
    Was hoping for more RAM and a price point.
    My thoughts exactly... but then maybe it wouldn't be a 4.5 version

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    Im sold. I usually buy a few consoles of the same generation anyway.

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    waiting to see my friend use it when it launches before thinking about selling my ps4 & getting the new one.

    hopefully game stores have deals where you get a big discount for trading an old ps4 in.


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    I'm pretty amped AF for this. Go SONY and continue to kick much f'n A!


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    Makes you wonder how many games will now get re-released and advertised as "improved".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creditdue View Post
    Give me a 60fps Bloodborne as a launch title and I'll be there day 1
    Companies probably won't re-release games for the soon to be new PS4 system but more than likely a patch that will enable "Neo" mode.

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    Well, this is one of the many reason's why I continue to wait on getting a PS4. I plan on getting a 4K TV to go with my PS4, so this will be perfect for me. Truth be told, given the Sony's track record of re-releasing an "Improved" version of the same console, this isn't surprising. What's next: a PS4K slim?




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    Quote Originally Posted by kidson2004 View Post
    Well, this is one of the many reason's why I continue to wait on getting a PS4. I plan on getting a 4K TV to go with my PS4, so this will be perfect for me. Truth be told, given the Sony's track record of re-releasing an "Improved" version of the same console, this isn't surprising. What's next: a PS4K slim?

    I was going to buy another PS4 but I'll hold out for the new PS4 Neo (price pending).

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    I wouldn't bother with it TBH, there is a major failing with true 4K reproduction that has nothing to do with the lack of software to playback, and that failure is the HDMI spec, even at it's highest spec'd, it doesn't have the bandwidth capabilities to handle the signals
    Read this article below to see some tests done.
    UHD Blu-ray vs. HDMI: Let the Battle Begin | Sound & Vision

    All sorts of video artifacts [like video sparkles ] to down right no passing of signal on a lot of occasions - Blank screen.

    The companies are going to need to get together and create a new spec'd cable to handle 4k.

    Until that happens, buying into 4k now would be like buying a equivalent HD Plasma screen about 10 years ago, they only came out fitted with RGB component inputs, it was only once the HDMI spec had been ratified that it superseded 'Component cable' basically within a few months.

    They are going to need a new cable format to do true 4K.

    I strongly suspect it with be Ethernet cable that will replace HDMI, because it can do the job, and is readily available and not expensive, plus I doubt the companies would have to pay a royalty fee like they do to fit HDMI....you also have the fact that most new TV's are already fitted with one now days, so adding a few more ports wouldn't be difficult.

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