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    Nintendo has the best Next-Gen Lineup This Christmas, but no one cares

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    Seriously. Nintendo. Next-gen. Best. I’m using those words in the same sentence, and I’m not including even one facetious caveat. Not a single reference to 1996. Not one joke about anyone’s inability to distinguish between the concepts of “next” and “many years in the past”. Regardless of the Wii U’s unfortunate hardware disparity with the incoming PS4 and Xbox One, and regardless of Nintendo’s seemingly delirious, devil-may-care attitude toward any industry happenings not initiated by itself, the arguably shell-shocked, longest-serving veteran of this particular phase of the endless console war is looking pretty damn good this Christmas. Far better than its ‘real’ next-gen competitors, anyway.

    Of course, this year is a special case. Christmas 2013 is one of those rare, serendipitous alignments of circumstance that allow fleeting windows of opportunity for the making of accidental heroes. Like when the gun barrel of an impassable tank jams just as a cloud passes the moon over a bombed French town, and the pinned-down GI below it notices he has that one grenade left. Or, more realistically, like when the video games available for some new consoles aren’t overly impressive, and a less well thought-of console has some quite good ones at the same time.

    Because Nintendo formats, taking both the Wii U and 3DS into account, have a pretty damn strong line-up this year, whereas next-gen is, at it always is at this early stage, really only exciting by nature of the fact that it exists. It’s always the way during the launch window. The hype is based on conceptual value rather than the delivery of many concrete reasons for excitement. Early adoption is always an investment in future fun. You’re buying into the potential of the consoles, rather than their power for immediate, day one gratification. It’s a lot like having a baby. Lots of joy and forward-looking happiness at great times yet to come, all of which grossly over-rides the fact that at the moment, it doesn’t really do anything. Basically, launch line-ups are never the best period in a console’s life, is what I’m saying. The second and third generations of games are when things really kick into gear.

    It’s even worse than usual this time around. In addition to the usual issue of merely decent-looking next-gen games, it seems that the few games that can really call themselves next-gen are absolutely buried by current-gen shovelware. Look at the next-gen launch line-up. How much of it is actually a pressing incentive to upgrade? I’ve discussed this before, so I won’t labour the point, but this time round we have an unprecedented number of polished up current-gen games filling the roster.

    Assassin's Creed 4. Call of Duty: Ghosts. Injustice: Gods Among Us. Lego Marvel. Need for Speed: Rivals. Trine 2. Sound Shapes. Flower. Lococycle. Minecraft. And the problem is only exacerbated by the fact that Watch Dogs and Drive Club have been pushed back. In terms of real, next-gen exclusive stuff, you’re looking at Killzone and Knack on the PS4, and Dead Rising 3, Killer Instinct and Forza 5 on the Xbox One. Both machines are getting Warframe, and I’ll count Battlefield 4 as well, as the next-gen editions will obviously be the console versions to get. But in terms of next-gen exclusive must-buys? There’s not a lot, overall.

    Nintendo, however, is having a fine old time. Okay, the Wii U is hardly selling, desperately needs a price cut, and is seemingly, a year after release, taken seriously by a relatively small percentage of core gamers. But take cynical perception out of the equation, look at things from a perspective of platform and game quality, and you’ll find an increasingly rosy picture indeed.

    First of all, Super Mario 3D World. It’s out very soon, and while I’m too deeply buried under embargo to tell you anything specific about it, you need to reserve time and money for it later in the month. It’s frustrating to try to sell Nintendo’s Christmas line-up without being able to talk about the best part of it, but suffice to say that I’ve been doing a lot of grinning, laughing, whooping and glassy eyed, blissed-out screen gazing lately. Just like I did when I first got a SNES and an N64.

    And then there’s the HD version of The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker. It’s the best version of possibly the best Zelda. It might be a remake, but nowhere near enough people played it the first time round, and the upgrade to the cel shaded art makes it look essentially new anyway. And then there’s Sonic: Lost World, an exclusive, and possibly the first ever 3D Sonic game ever to get the idea right. Finally, we have the game Sonic fans have been begging for since the Dreamcast. That’s a big deal right there. But after a decade and a half of hope, no-one is celebrating, or even really noticing its arrival. Because it’s on the Wii U.

    And there’s the rest of the machine’s steadily improving year one line-up. You know, all that other great stuff you’ve ignored because it’s on the Wii U. Pikmin 3. Zombi U. Lego City (shut up, it’s great). Drop your serious, glowering, hardcore gamer ego at the door, and you’ll probably enjoy Wii Party U as well. Because regardless of their rep, bona fide Nintendo-developed party games are always fun. Oh, and did I mention that the Wii U version of Batman: Arkham Origins is currently the only one not beset by a game-killing plague of brokenness? Yeah, Nintendo has the best version of one of this autumn’s biggest games, but no-one’s talking about that, either.

    Oh, and the 3DS? Stellar line-up this Christmas. There’s a brand-new Zelda. There’s Adventure Time. There’s Mario Party. There’s Mario & Luigi: Dream Team. There’s the final Professor Layton. There’s Bravely Default (in Europe, at least). There’s Phoenix Wright: Dual Destinies. There’s Animal Crossing. There’s Pokemon. Going back a bit further back into the year, there’s Shin Megami Tensei 4 and Monster Hunter.


    You’ve probably noticed the theme of the last three paragraphs. If not, there’s something desperately wrong with either you or me, because as far as I’m concerned I’ve been hammering it home like Thor sending a postcard. Basically, the Wii U’s reputation is crippling Nintendo’s ability to grab a slice of the Key Limelight pie. Nintendo has made massive screw-ups with the machine’s price, launch timing, horsepower and marketing. Of that there is no doubt. Everything about the console’s management has been a car wreck. But what the console has now could not be further on the quality scale from how it’s been handled.

    With a Nintendo console, you’re always buying a first-party machine. We’ve long had to accept that. The days of widespread publisher support are over. But now, finally, Nintendo has a line-up, spread over both of its consoles, that makes it a real contender in the fun stakes. And you know the really great flip-side to being first-party only? All your best stuff is entirely exclusive. Unlike many of the best games coming soon to the supposed ‘real’ next-gen.

    Super Mario 3D World is one of the best games of the year. Objectively and subjectively, it’s one of the finest, most polished, most downright fun pieces of game design I’ve enjoyed since January. And you can only get it on a Nintendo machine. Ditto Zelda. And Zelda on the 3DS. And 90% of everything else I mentioned above. And while I wouldn’t recommend the Wii U as anyone’s main console, as a secondary machine that exclusive quality makes it darn near essential now.

    But Nintendo really needs to go all-out this Christmas, because it’s, ironically, not going to get a better chance to change minds than during this next-gen launch window. The PS4 and Xbox One will never be less engaging than they will be this Christmas, just as the Wii U is becoming a real prospect. Nintendo needs to, at least briefly, remember how it used to sell games. It needs to embrace the specialist gaming press again. It needs to engage with its old audience.


    It needs to, for just a couple of months, drop the patronising, sterile, vapid kids’ TV tone of its advertising and shove Mario and Zelda to the front, in the most dynamic, vibrant, fun-pushing way it can muster. It needs strong bundle packs, it needs smart pricing, and it needs to convince those of us who just like good games that it has those in droves. Because between now and late February, Nintendo has a real chance to make a dent.

    But what am I saying? This is madness. It’ll never work. Why would it, when there’s all the fun of spending 400 on Killzone to be had, and then the positively enthralling period of excitement that comes with waiting several months for something else to play? The ‘real’ Next-gen is where it’s at. Just look at all those extra particle effects in Knack. That's where the important stuff is. Nothing to see here.


    Why arn't you playing Wonderful 101, Pikmin 3, Super Mario Bros U, Zombi U, Lego City, NintendoLand, and Sonic: Lost World, while waiting for X, Super mario 3D world, Mario Kart 8, Fire Emblem x SMT, Bayonetta 2, and DK Tropical freeze? All First party and not going to any other platform!

    Wii U has the best Next-gen lineup on consoles. deal with it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ps360 View Post
    Why arn't you playing Wonderful 101, Pikmin 3, Super Mario Bros U, Zombi U, Lego City, NintendoLand, and Sonic: Lost World, while waiting for X, Super mario 3D world, Mario Kart 8, Fire Emblem x SMT, Bayonetta 2, and DK Tropical freeze?
    Because I'm not 12, and I don't care about mascot games. Not saying the PS4 or XB1 is any better, since I'm getting neither, but none of these games sound any more appealing. I love how the writer of this article spends the first half gloating over the fact that they don't have to use fanboy logic to make their argument, and then opens with a Mario platformer and a Zelda remake... yeah, okay.

    I'll stick to my Vita and iOS indie backlog while I wait for Second Son and Driveclub to come out.
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    Because most of those games are aimed at a range of kids or old Nintendo hardcore fans, plus 3 of those games you listed are crap. Plus the Wii U still has nothing to offer me and there's no point in buying one if there's no games that interest me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ps360 View Post
    Why arn't you playing Wonderful 101, Pikmin 3, Super Mario Bros U, Zombi U, Lego City, NintendoLand, and Sonic: Lost World, while waiting for X, Super mario 3D world, Mario Kart 8, Fire Emblem x SMT, Bayonetta 2, and DK Tropical freeze? All First party and not going to any other platform!

    Wii U has the best Next-gen lineup on consoles. deal with it.
    Because i have grown up? i have absolutely no interest in playing fucking mario, zelda, and all the other first party games nintendo has. nintendo is no longer a console for the core gamer (imo). as i have always thought, nintendo is just a stepping stone for other consoles. only games that i would have remotely any interest is Bayonetta 2. i am no longer willing to invest in a system that is more appealing to mostly the family friendly market

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    You're really grasping at straws here, girl. Opinions are ok as long as you're not shoving them up people's assess. I like my innocence thank you very much.






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    I would love to play the new Mario games. I thought the 2 Mario Galaxy games and New Super Mario Bros Wii were great. Im just not going to buy a Wii U to play them...

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    Bit childish to suggest that Mario or Zelda isn't for adults, a games art style does not define what age range can play it.

    Rarely do i ever get Nintendo consoles unless a good handful of absolutely essential games comes out and beyond Mario, Wind Waker HD ( which i already bought a Gamecube to play back when ) and Bayonetta 2, i struggle to see anything worth forking over a few hundred quid for in the long run so while i respect the company, i don't much care for their console.

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    Best part is the last bolded paragraph where he slams Knack... the one game that looks the most like it belongs on Nintendo's consoles.

    Reading everything that you put into bold letters all I see is "don't be the gamer you want to be. Instead be the gamer I think you should be, which is a gamer who loves Nintendo's 1st party games".
    Hate to break it to you but, there's a whole generation of us 30/40-somethings (not to mention quite a bit of 20-somethings) that have grown tired of Mario and Zelda and never got into Pokemon because we were fully grown when it released.
    The Wii had a few greatgames in it's cycle (Madworld, No More Heroes 2, the Metroid Trilogy and a few that have been ported to the PS3) and I played them, I still regret purchasing the console though and won't fall for the same thing with the WiiU. If writers like this wanna tell me I'm the wrong kind of gamer and should check my "ego" then I guess i'll have to try and find a way to make peace with that.

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    I don't have anything from this generation of Nintendo, but I do like playing Mario/Zelda. I still play my N64 to this day. But, I wish Bayonetta 2 was on current/next gen consoles But, there's people that do indeed still play those games, and enjoy them a lot.




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    all i see so far in this thread is "My opinion disregards objectivity and says your wrong" and "I only play mature games for mature gamers like myself"


    Wii U has the Best Exclusive list. there's only two exclusive games worth playing on PS4 (killzone, possibly knack) and two on Xbox one (DR3 and Forza)

    Wii U has that giant exclusive list i mentioned. games that are already out and proven to be great.

    Using "I grown up" as a excuse to why you won't play a game is childish all by itself. You play games for fun, not for mature bullshit. if you play a game for plot, writing, or characters your playing games wrong. Gameplay is all that matters and Nintendo is one of the best at it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ps360 View Post
    all i see so far in this thread is "My opinion disregards objectivity and says your wrong" and "I only play mature games for mature gamers like myself"


    Wii U has the Best Exclusive list. there's only two exclusive games worth playing on PS4 (killzone, possibly knack) and two on Xbox one (DR3 and Forza)

    Wii U has that giant exclusive list i mentioned.
    That's all you see because that's all you want to see.

    It's not about being "mature", it's about the formulas for Nintendo's top franchises being long since worn out. I bought a Wii on the strength of the Gamecube (which I loved) and Twilight Princess (at the time I was still a big Zelda fan), a game I never finished because of the "been there - done that" feeling that eventually became overwhelming. Then came Mario Galaxy, same problem, just on spheres this time instead of a flat surface and Pokemon, I have a horrible bias against that because it ruined my early 20's so my opinion isn't exactly objective. After those initial games came a ton of shovel-ware and one or two good games a year that weren't 1st party, which is a huge problem if you're not into the 1st party games released by Nintendo.

    The Wii burned a lot of people pretty bad and the WiiU doesn't seem to be doing anything different, which is a big part of why nobody cares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmarkgn View Post
    Then came Mario Galaxy, same problem, just on spheres this time instead of a flat surface and Pokemon, I have a horrible bias against that because it ruined my early 20's so my opinion isn't exactly objective.
    Mario Galaxy was one of the best mario games ever and almost the best series of games ever (my favorite mario series). The only similar thing about it is that the overworld and level loading acted like super mario 64, besides that everything was completely different. Using Gravity to your advantage, the new powerups and gameplay, the formula is completely different to any mario game out there.

    I never liked the Zelda series that much (only games i liked off it were link to the past and Wind waker), so i can largely agree on twilight princess being terrible.


    I started playing pokemon around 2010 (heartgold), But every game seems to change alot. Black and white 1&2 introduced a new region and felt more story based, X and Y revamped almost everything while adding a giant emphasis on social features that make sense (trading, Giving powerups to friends, etc.)


    The Wii burned a lot of people pretty bad and the Wii U doesn't seem to be doing anything different, which is a big part of why nobody cares.
    Everyone knows since the N64 that Nintendo is purely a First party machine, if people just figured out during the wii then welcome to the club.



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    I'm going to be honest: Nintendo keeps pumping out Mario and Zelda because they're good. I only have one Nintendo (an NES, but only one game. I didn't even know we owned it until a few years back) but through experience from my friend's house I have played some of those games and they weren't bad. But I'll never buy a Wii or Wii U to play them because that's it. Just the games.

    I'll admit, Nintendo has some ideas to keep things from too-staleness, but it still feels samey. If I get a Wii U, I know exactly what to expect because there's only a few series worth going to on Wii, while the PS4 has and will have a plethora of unique titles and a higher-quality gaggle of hardware to keep the games running beautifully while the Wii U is still last-gen material. No matter how many Marios and Zeldas are pushed out, it's only going to Wii owners. No one else is going to gravitate towards that. The Wii U has lost the race, period.

    And to everyone else, because a game is childish doesn't make it taboo. Not all games need to be M-rated with brooding protagonists and blood out of every orifice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Digitalman123 View Post
    I'll admit, Nintendo has some ideas to keep things from too-staleness, but it still feels samey.
    thats how sequels are supposed to work.

    Keep familiarity while introducing new ideas. otherwise it's a new ip.

    Mario is Nintendo's testing ground for new gameplay ideas since his mascot appeal is almost undefeatable. it's why you see stuff like paper mario, Mario vs donkey kong minis, etc.

    the PS4 has and will have a plethora of unique titles and a higher-quality gaggle of hardware to keep the games running beautifully while the Wii U is still last-gen material. No matter how many Marios and Zeldas are pushed out, it's only going to Wii owners. No one else is going to gravitate towards that. The Wii U has lost the race, period.
    They said the same thing about The DS and the 3DS.



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    Sonic Lost World piss poor reviews, Zelda Windwaker HD doesn't look good enough to warrant a console purchase of a game I already own, WII Party U bad reviews, Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games bad controls not all events available for online play, Super Mario 3D World . I left the best for last click on the spoiler if you dare.

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    So my verdict is that the WII U does have the best line up off junk this side of Christmas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ps360 View Post
    Mario Galaxy was one of the best mario games ever and almost the best series of games ever



    Everyone knows since the N64 that Nintendo is purely a First party machine, if people just figured out during the wii then welcome to the club.
    I'm glad you loved it, I personally got bored and felt like everything was too similiar.

    I thought the Gamecube was a great 3rd party machine. My entire library was made up almost entirely of non-1st party games and they were great. It was a huge part of why I bought a Wii, which was the 1st real failure in my eyes when it came to quality 3rd party games.

    If the author of this article wants people like me to take a long hard look at the WiiU then he needs a better argument than telling me I'm wrong for not liking the big N's 1st party games.

    If it makes you feel any better, I agree with the last paragraph. I actually cancelled my PS4 pre-order because of the weak launch list. It's not really much of a problem though because the PS3 has enough titles to keep me busy for a minimum 6 months while the PS4 gains some steam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ps360 View Post
    thats how sequels are supposed to work.

    Keep familiarity while introducing new ideas. otherwise it's a new ip.

    Mario is Nintendo's testing ground for new gameplay ideas since his mascot appeal is almost undefeatable. it's why you see stuff like paper mario, Mario vs donkey kong minis, etc.



    They said the same thing about The DS and the 3DS.
    But, Nintendo dropped the price from $250 down to $170 so if you take the WII U at launch $350 for the 32gb unit that would make a price drop down to $238 and if they priced it at that then it would sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAXTHUNDER View Post
    Sonic Lost World piss poor reviews,
    listening to reviews is bad for you

    Zelda Windwaker HD doesn't look good enough to warrant a console purchase of a game I already own
    it's actually a massive improvement over gamecube version.

    WII Party U bad reviews
    Listening to reviews is still bad for you

    Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games bad controls
    Olympics-related things are entirely terrible. shocker.



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