The Official WWE Discussion Thread - Survivor Series November 18, 2012

[holycrapoly]

Double Post:

RANDOM QUESTION FRIDAY:

Where do you see the WWE in five years?

[Denaratuck]

Double Post:

RANDOM QUESTION FRIDAY:

Where do you see the WWE in five years?

I see them still being the longest running weekly episodic television show in history!!!

But in all seriousness, I think they'll spend a lot more time trying to get their product out through viral marketing like how Zack Ryder did for himself. I also suspect them to still be ranked number one worldwide as I can see TNA killing themselves off eventually so I hope Ring of Honor can give them a good run for their money so they don't remain complacent with the way things are going.

[holycrapoly]

I think it's time we bring back some

PREDICTIONS

Anywho... we've got the Elimination Chamber coming this Sunday. So... let's see what matches we have in store:

Pre-Show: Brodus Clay and Tensai vs Rhodes Scholars - I thought Rhodes Scholars were done? Guess not. Brodus and Tensai should go over here as it is only the pre-show.

WWE United States Championship: Antonio Cesaro (c) vs The Miz - I believe we are getting this match again. After the Miz story of him dropping Punk on his head, I don't think we'll see Miz holding a title anytime soon.

WWE Divas Championship: Kaitlyn (c) vs Tamina Snuka - This could be an alright contest. I doubt we see a title change here.

Elimination Chamber #1 Contender Match: Jack Swagger vs Mark Henry vs Kane vs Daniel Bryan vs Randy Orton vs Chris Jericho - I was going to originally pick Mark Henry to win this match, come Sunday. But, after Jack Swagger obtained Zeb Coulter as his manager, I think Swagger is going to win this Sunday and face Alberto Del Rio at Wrestlemania.

World Heavyweight Championship: Alberto Del Rio (c) w/ Ricardo Rodriguez vs The Big Show - I think Del Rio is going to somehow get the 1,2,3 or the Tap Out victory over Big Show. It sets up Jack Swagger vs Del Rio and the whole "Anti-American" storyline perfectly.

John Cena, Ryback, and Sheamus vs The Shield (Roman Reigns, Dean Ambrose, and Seth Rollins) - If WWE is SMART about this, then The Shield will go over on the three biggest faces. It doesn't hurt the faces, but it makes The Shield that much more credible as a group.

WWE Championship (If The Rock is counted out or disqualified, he loses the WWE Championship): The Rock (c)vs CM Punk w/ Paul Heyman - I think we will see The Rock retain to either set up Cena v Rock II at Wrestlemania 29 OR a Triple Threat between all three men.

[parkerdip]

ELIMINATION CHAMBER 2013 PREDICTIONS

Pre-show: Brodus Clay and Tensai def. Rhodes Scholars - Because Rhodes Scholars have broken up as a team and are only coming back for one night I don't see the gain in having them win since they are focusing on singles competition.

WWE United States Championship: Antonio Cesaro (c) def. The Miz - I can see Cesaro holding onto the title for longer than this perhaps dropping it at Wrestlemania.

WWE Divas Championship: Kaitlyn (c) def. Tamina Snuka - Divas matches don't interest me except for them being nice to look at. Think Kaityln will manage to keep onto it for longer although its hard since Tamina is looking strong

Elimination Chamber #1 Contender Match: Chris Jericho def. Kane, Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton, Jack Swagger and Mark Henry - Hardest match to predict on the card but if I were to pick who I'd like to see is Chris Jericho which brings me onto...

World Heavyweight Championship: Alberto Del Rio (c) def. Big Show - I think what should happen is Del Rio defeats the Big Show but out of rage he knocks out Del Rio thus causing Dolph Ziggler to cash in his money in the bank and succesfully becoming the new World Heavyweight Champion. Reason why I see this as a possibility is Dolph Ziggler is not scheduled on the card so it would be a good impact to make. This would set up a Wrestlemania match between Dolph Ziggler and Chris Jericho for the World Heavyweight Championship.

6 Man Tag Team: John Cena, Sheamus and Ryback def. The Shield - This is not what I want to happen since The Shield should go over but Cena, Sheamus and Ryback need to look strong going into Wrestlemania and history shows Cena always buries upcoming stars. Also they want to build up Ryback but hes still not won a single PPV. There could be a way in which The Shield loses but where both teams look strong is the best way to go. (DQ for example).

WWE Championship: The Rock (c) def. Cm Punk - Pretty certain The Rock will retain. I believe he is only having this match so his reign seems legit in that the title must be defended at each PPV and that Cm Punk gets a rematch clause. I'm not too fussed about Rock Vs Cena II as many people are, should be a good match seeing how Rock loses it. But I would prefer to see Rock Vs Cena Vs Cm Punk in the match to be different and possibly even bigger bout but don't know if WWE will risk doing that.

Those are my thoughts on the card. It seems a very good card and I always enjoy watching Elimination Chamber Matches it should be very interesting. Only thing I didn't like about the card is the PPV being called Elimination Chamber having only 1 Chamber match and it not even to be the Main Event. I think WWE should just scrap all these gimmick named PPV's and go back to the old way like 'No Way Out' because then it doesn't matter if there is only 1 Chamber. I think No Way Out is the perfect name to host the Chamber

[majiintien]

Double Post:

RANDOM QUESTION FRIDAY:

Where do you see the WWE in five years?

Well, if the WWE network launches and it isn't a huge success the WWE could go under. At the very least they'd have to file for bankruptcy and completely restructure. I see Orton and Cena in the position Y2J is in and HBK was in post injury. Meaning they'll be around the main titles but they won't win them. I think they'll just put a lot of the new main-eventers over. I think CM Punk and Sheamus position will depend on the financial stability of the company. I'd like to see guys like Wade Barret, Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose, and Dolph Ziggler as the main eventers with some other upper mid-carders getting title shots to keep things fresh. I'd like to put more but this is turning into a wall of text.

So I keep seeing two scenarios coming out of the Elimination Chamber in regards to the WHC(Y2JvZiggler/SwaggervDelRio). While I think they both make sense I'd like to ask about a third. What about a Swagger/Ziggler feud? I know they're both heels and they don't usually do those All it would take to fix that is to have Ziggler drop AJ and he'd be considered the face, I think. Then Orton and/or Sheamus can turn heel.

[parkerdip]

So I keep seeing two scenarios coming out of the Elimination Chamber in regards to the WHC(Y2JvZiggler/SwaggervDelRio). While I think they both make sense I'd like to ask about a third. What about a Swagger/Ziggler feud? I know they're both heels and they don't usually do those All it would take to fix that is to have Ziggler drop AJ and he'd be considered the face, I think. Then Orton and/or Sheamus can turn heel.

Where would Jericho fit into Wrestlemania if that happens? I think Ziggler Vs Jericho at Wrestlemania for WHC is the most logical thing to do since they are already feuding (hence why Ziggler wanted to be in the chamber because Y2J does). Plus Jericho is really good at putting superstars over and making them look good in the ring making Ziggler look like a true main eventer. Ziggler would beat Y2J in a great match at WM. Jericho came back at the Royal Rumble for Wrestlemania I believe so this scenario makes sense. He's a much bigger draw for Wrestlemania than Jack Swagger.

Ofcourse this may be the most likely outcome. WWE have occasionally tricked us.

EDIT: Another thing to note I thought of is if Ziggler cashes in on Del Rio then he will get his rematch clause. So it could make for a triple threat at WM or he could just get his rematch on RAW which we know Del Rio will lose setting up Ziggler vs Y2J.

[Hozcliffekinz777]

Botchamania 224 is blocked on Youtube but Maffew has uploaded the video on Dailymotion,enjoy!
Botchamania 224 - Video Dailymotion

[eternalunderdog]

Swagger's new music is a good addition.

[APriceless]

Botchamania 224 is blocked on Youtube but Maffew has uploaded the video on Dailymotion,enjoy!
Botchamania 224 - Video Dailymotion

Thank you so much. I was excited when I saw they had uploaded it, and was pretty disappointed when it was blocked.

[parkerdip]

Wow The Shield shocked us all and actually beat the All Star team.

[holycrapoly]

Predictions? Master

Swagger's new theme is laughable.

Roman Reigns spear is AMAZING.

[parkerdip]

I really enjoyed Elimination Chamber.

Swagger's theme fits his gimmick well I think.

Roman Reigns did another spear through the barricade. Kinda predicted he would since i seen him do it a few times already but its still really good and I was shocked that The Shield actually got the win.

I didn't really want Swagger to win the chamber as I prefer Jericho as he can put on a better match but still it was a surprise.

Rock V Cm punk started off slow but got better. Cm Punk was just like a cowardly heel trying to get Rock DQed. It was quite unpredictable at times as well because I actually thought he could get DQed when he hit the ref. And man he showed the ultimate sign of disrespect spitting on his face to make him mad. Overall however I did not think this match was as good as the Royal Rumble one. I think the stipulation was just to make the match different but It doesn't make any sense why Vince would allow that to Paul Heyman who he was going to fire just a couple weeks before. Only explanation is the phone call was fixed and that was a recording of Vince (it did sound a bit like it)

[majiintien]

Where would Jericho fit into Wrestlemania if that happens? I think Ziggler Vs Jericho at Wrestlemania for WHC is the most logical thing to do since they are already feuding (hence why Ziggler wanted to be in the chamber because Y2J does). Plus Jericho is really good at putting superstars over and making them look good in the ring making Ziggler look like a true main eventer. Ziggler would beat Y2J in a great match at WM. Jericho came back at the Royal Rumble for Wrestlemania I believe so this scenario makes sense. He's a much bigger draw for Wrestlemania than Jack Swagger.

Ofcourse this may be the most likely outcome. WWE have occasionally tricked us.

EDIT: Another thing to note I thought of is if Ziggler cashes in on Del Rio then he will get his rematch clause. So it could make for a triple threat at WM or he could just get his rematch on RAW which we know Del Rio will lose setting up Ziggler vs Y2J.

Alright, I guess I didn't really think about where that would leave Jericho.

[skidmarkgn]

People everywhere -but here- are bitching up a storm about Swagger winning, it's unbelievable. I say this because those same people are bitching up a storm about the flood of rematches that look to be inevitable (Brock/HHH, Cena/Rock "twice in a lifetime"). Swagger is a guy who can go with anyone in the ring. He SUCKS at talking but that's a non-issue now. I think Swagger/Del Rio have in-ring styles that will compliment eachother and the match will be nothing but good.

Jericho shouldn't be in a title picture right now for the same reasons Rock shouldn't, after WM, they're gone. There wasn't anyone in the EC match that would have been interesting to watch going into WM except Swagger. Not to mention the WHC match is probably the only match on the card that actually has a question mark by it for the booking. This year's WM has a major theme to it... predictability, the WHC match on the other hand has several scenarios that could play out and all of them would make sense.

The Shield going over "Team Sell-No" is another huge step in the right direction. These guys are absolutley the future of the company. They are looking unbeatable as a team and they have one unique feature that I didn't notice until it was pointed out to me, there's no leader. They are three equals who are unstoppable when working together.

[Smashguy]

[parkerdip]

I saw that special announcement and it wasnt very special really. I don't think many people care about the location unless your from New Orleans or have a good chance of being able to go there. But I thought it was a waste of time for me.

[skidmarkgn]

2/3rds of the way through RAW and I want to comment now while I'm still in a state of bliss (until Rock ruins it with his bazillionth promo and ZERO non-PPV matches almost 2 years). What an amazing show!! The Shield match (FINALLY a proper match on RAW) just concluded and hands down, Ambrose, Rollins, and Reigns are the future of the company. Swagger/D-bry was awesome, Del Rio/Ziggler was amazing and Kofi/Sandow, which is starting right now should also be amazing. Hat's off to the folks that put this show together!!

[APriceless]

Am I the only one that doesn't like the new belt?

[majiintien]

Am I the only one that doesn't like the new belt?

I hate it. But, that might have something to do with the fact that I'd like to see them ditch the scratch logo. At least it wasn't solid gold like some of the pictures I saw.

I hope the Shield wins the Tag Titles from Team Friendship at or just before WrestleMania.

[Larrydavidsavatar]

The new belt is a mild improvement on the last one but a bit too much logo on it.

The Shield, showing up many so called tag team units in WWE with their work, were on it again, Reigns has grown into his role so swiftly that i hold him in as high a regard as Ambrose and Rollins now.

Think next week will be where we know if Taker will be at Mania or not and which way the main events turn.